Declaration Deception w/ guest: Michael Tsarion – 08-01-10
July 24, 2010 by Chris Geo
Filed under Past Show Archive
In the first half hour, we welcome back our good friend and researcher – Freeman to update us on his trip to Australia and give us a taste of some of his new research.
And for the remainder of the broadcast we welcome back our good friend and researcher, Michael Tsarion to discuss briefly the origins of mankind and talk about the psychological prison we have all been victim.
And be sure to pick up Michael’s latest DVD – Architects Of Control
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Great, Tsarion is very interesting. You should ask him to compare and contrast his work to the work of Bill Cooper. It seems the fractures in the Truth Movement no longer completely center around Alex Jones but center around who has the real version of history, the Christian Fundamentalists or the alternative historians like Alan Watt, Jordan Maxwell and Michael Tsarion.
It seems the people who are prone to a fundamentalist Christian perspective view Bill Cooper as the main authority and they want to get back to an idealized version of America as they concieve to have been presented by the founding fathers. The alternative historians like Alan Watt, Tsarion etc. seem to be presenting information that shows the founding fathers were not as idealistic as has been portrayed and they indeed were in on the scam all along.
The accusation I have heard against Alan Watt and Tsarion is that they are Rosicrucians and are trying to assist in the destruction of Christianity. All things to be considered but if the alternative historians are correct about the true history of Christianity then fundamentalist Christianity is bound to destruct by the weight of its own illusions and lies. Will be interesting to watch how this fracture in the Truth Movement plays out.
Hey guys. Ask Michael what his beef is with freeman. He was very inflammatory towards Freeman, and while I don’t agree with Freeman’s theories one bit, I find it hard to believe that these so called “truth seekers” end up stabbing each other in the back. Tsarion has defended Alex Jones strongly in the past, even though Alex pushes his Christian agenda. I don’t trust this guy one bit. Jordan Maxwell is the only guy who does not kiss these people’s behind to be on their shows.
My thought process differs starkly from the ones above.
Upon seeing Michael Tsarion ‘s name listed above, for the upcomingbroadcast, a sense of gratitude and a feeling of goodness touched my soul. “Hey, wow, an awesome FUCKING talent like Michael T is going to share his time and wisdom with us yet again, for free no less -Thanks to the gods of the internet!!! And, I’ll have something cool and inspiring to listen to (probably 2 or 3 times).
And then I read the responses above!
My question would be more like: Why do people have this incessant need to judge, point fingers, and foist labels on others, especially when they come in service to us? Will we ever…?!
@Joey. There are so many things wrong with your statement. It’s very clear your thought process is DIFFERENT than mine. Michael Tsarion is a guy who has been attacking fellow truth seeker in his forum. I have no respect for him. A guy like Jordan Maxwell deserves respect. Respect is earned. And as much respect as I have for some of these guys, this world is about YOUR experiences. YOUR reality. Not what someone tells you, no matter how right they sound.
I respect Sheree and Chris for all their hard work. I wish they challenged guys like Tsarion. I have found Michael to be very disrespectful and defensive about his ideas. I don’t disrespect the man, and I’ll listen to Chris and Sheree. But I refuse to be a sheep, whether it’s Tsarion, freeman, Obama, or whoever it is.
Chris. When are you going to get Joe Rogan on the line?
1PM? Aw man…can’t make the chat this week, and I had some q’s for Michael too. Regards folks, and I’ll catch you guys on the 8th
Hi, i just want to have you ask M.TSarion if this awakening has been planned, and if all the cryptic symbols were put out purposely to later be debunked by society to fool them into thinking they are being initiated as part of the occult ritual, or to help advance them since it is no longer useful to keep mankind ignorant, Is this new awakening “controlled”, it seems coincidental that some chaos is being flogged, and that there is some coincidental “consciousness advance” i dont see people becoming smarter, just more quasi spiritual, with a different theory for every truther.
Yea, 1pm. Michael is 8 hours ahead of us so that would make it 5am his time if we were to do the regular broadcast time.
Michael Tsarion is, in my humble opinion, the most important speaker on these subjects alive today. He would always refer back to his mentors and his synthesis of the work of others, as the key – but like Maxwell was his Mentor – he is now my Mentor, and I will freely admit that, just as he freely admits his own mentorship.
As soon as I saw the ’2012 & the Future of Mankind’ Talk – I knew I had instantly found a life long colleague, even if we never meet in person. Architects of Control and similar works then paved the way for me to embark what has become an incredible and life changing journey – assisted by his dedication, and eloquence, and refusal to tolerate the lie or sweeten up the sour.
The funniest thing about it, is that in almost all of the information he has provided me with, (barring some of the recent work on the Disciples of the Mysterium) I have never been exposed to anything I didn’t already know somehow. Michael just verbalized it in ways that I never could, and I will be eternally grateful for that.
I look forward to this interview with great anticipation.
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I don’t necessarily agree with everything he says, and I do find elements of his attitudinal tones to be somewhat belligerent and intolerant whilst he is claiming optimism and positivity. He does contradict himself, either semantically or ideologically at least once per interview, but to me this demonstrates an erudite willingness to re-examine his convictions as he moves forwards and explores ideas in further depth. This stands in great contrast to one who just promotes the same lifelong theories or ethical modalities over and over like a tired old speech; You can actually hear the man thinking and figuring it out as he speaks – coming to new understandings within his own consciousness as he shares it with others.
This is the calling card of the Genuine, Soulful Intellect – as is the refusal to negate the fact that Consciousness and the state of the Human Psyche are at the heart of ALL of this.
Eternal Respect and Comradeship.
I’m looking forward to listening. I hope I can check the whole broadcast.
Its truly puzzling why Michael Tsarion has such animosity towards FreeMan. He always says that one should not territorialize knowledge and yet he claims freeman is a ‘cannibal’ for supposedly taking some of MTsars ideas and changing them to his own perspective. Its a shame that even the best researchers have ego issues with each other.
I don’t know. We respect both of them greatly. They’re doing great things for mankind, I could only imagine their potential if the two worked together! But we stay out of the drama, we’re non-bias and non-partisan
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jb, try breaking your back on a thesis for over 2 decades, doing all the hard ground work, only to have someone lift it like it is a feather and wave it around without at least permission, which may have been given graciously, and without putting the references next to what you are saying, which is the next best thing. yea, i would get pissed to. i don’t think tsarion is losing sleep over it though
I agree thats a valid point in a TEXTUAL work however freeman gives mostly oral presentations and videos and he has Mtsar on before so I really don’t see the reason for hard feelings between them both. Perhaps someday they can come together as jordan and icke have.
yep, and good buddies usually talk with each other, sometimes letting each other know what the other is up to, because you know, that’s what good buddies do. I say let a dead dog lie, it’s over. You’ll get a new puppy
Not necessarily in the form of Mr. T and Mr. F making out at a drive in movie, but everything is going to be ok I think.
if you listened to the show and speakers at all you would understand that it has been freeman attacking michael and it’s WEAK. just as michael said in this interview and many others he DOES NOT talk about other teachers and that is STRENGTH. he flat out said no he would not comment on freeman in his last interview with these guys. he wouldn’t even give this shit the time of day so i’m not sure why i am. silly internet arguments about other people’s personal lives.
I am sorry. I just don’t buy Michael Tsarion. He is a guy who praises Alex Jones, the fear monger, Christian fanatic, who made fun of David Icke. Michael Tsarion says he doesn’t care about people who don’t believe him but he is OK with Alex Jones. Why? Maybe because he has a huge radio show?
@whattheheckareyouonabout. That is just not true. Freeman has never attacked anyone. I don’t want to come off as a supporter of freeman. I do think he is a deceiver. I like his positive message.
The problem with Tsarion is, he thinks because he has done this research, he is actually better than the people he calls “sheep.” Are there people who are misinformed or not informed at all? Yes. Is it their fault? Not always. That’s the difference between Freeman’s message and Tsarion. Tsarion is angry, blaming this or that. Freeman knows you can’t blame someone who’s never had a chance to open his/her eyes.
I don’t know about you guys, but all these people seem to be offering a version of the truth and not the whole truth. Freeman, Tsarion, Maxwell, … You can almost smell the “disinfo” in some of the things they say. I guess they have to mix the truth with some of these other things to avoid getting killed off.
At the end, what Michael Tsarion, David Icke, Freeman, … does not matter. You have to come to your own truth. I agree with Michael that truth can be collectivized. But if I have to listen to one person, I rather go with those who are positive and optimistic than those who are angry and putting blames on others
This is, by far, the best interview I have herd from Michael Tsarion. He hit the nail on the head on every point about psychology and spirituality. You nailed it Michael!
john Ims, you and whattheheck need to stop playing tag so much.. comment sections and forums have long devolved into havens for mud people, garbage people, whatever you want to call them… dirt heads… and all they do is bitch, piss and moan
@dice. No you are right. I just wanted Chris to ask Tsarion about the whole freeman issue. But it does not matter. There are more important things in life than why this guy does not like that guy. It’s about the message. I agree with you 100%
Guys, does it really matter? They are both great speakers. Listen, enjoy, take what you feel is right and leave the rest.
Chris
listening and reading helps. as i wrote, if memory serves they did ask michael and he said NO COMMENT. unlike freeman who is on and on about it every week. freeman- take it as a compliment because you can be DAMN sure she did!!!!
tsarion ftw.
i hope he does more appearances. he’s done loads of talks for red ice.
If he were a Rosicrucian he would never point the finger at Atenism as the cult that has brought forward this new world order and destruction of the mind. You see Atenism comes from Akhenaten the ever so worshiped Christ before Christ Pharaoh of the NEW KINGDOM. You see Rosicrucian Love him as much as the other religious sects of the world. Read a small Rosicrucian book called “Unto the I grant the economy of the world” That is the whole title. And you will see they Love him. The whole book is about him. So why would a Rosicrucian ” Which by the way only means a Christian Mystic” Want to base his whole theory on a man that would bring down Rosicrucian ism? He’s not a friggin Rosicrucian he is just helping you just use your own mind for once. When they say do your own homework they mean you need to come to your own conclusions. Holy crap. Just listen, take notes, search and figure it out for yourselves.
I agree that everyone who does a strange handshake is dubbed as a Mason or Rosa… or whatever. I mean everyone is a Mason it seems. I think people need to be careful when they open their mouth and claim things.
As far as Freeman, Chris, why don’t you challenge him more? I love you guys. The guy says, I predicted Obama won’t be a U.S. president. I listened to his broadcast in June or July 2008. He said he “believed there will be no election” and “bush will declare martial law.” No one, and I mean no one, has ever challenged him on that. I am not saying that means anything. But when you get it wrong, just admit it. Like Clif High does. BTW, when are you guys gonna get cliff high on your show?
Great show especially about the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. I am almost done reading all of his books and they present a very interesting perspective of history. It seems to me that definetely the truthers that immediately emotionally react to his work negatively have not actually read and digested the concepts he puts forward or they just immediately reject them based on some sort of entrenched bias in their particular segment of the truth movement.
Freeman and Tsarion are my personal favorites. Tsarion because I have been a fan of Joseph Campbell since early 90′s and Tsaron takes it even further than Campbell and goes into the mythological, psychological etc. elements of the evolution and structure of civilization. His books are absolutely terrific and I will be reading and rereading them for years.
Freeman is great because he is just laid back and teaches you how to relax and to get in touch with the wonder of the universe despite what is going on. I like the fact that he admits that he takes it as far out there as possible so we get in touch with the wonder.
The Truth Movement is just one big madhouse of people accusing each other of being cointel and competition for dominance but it is one helluva fun ride and the information is fascinating and mind-boggling.
You guys will think this is a nit-pick, but it’s not:
I’m tired of armchair linguists putting out the ridiculous idea that “government” means “controlling the mind”. That’s 100% false. The “ment” in “government” has NOTHING to do with “mental”. The suffix “ment” is just a basic noun-ending signifying processes.
Does “condiment” have anything to do with the mind? Is ketchup and mustard part of mind-control? Of course not; “ment” is just a basic ending for nouns. “Condiment” means “the stuff of seasoning”, and “government” means “the stuff of governing”.
There’s also “cement”, “excrement” and a bunch of other words–none of which have ANYTHING to do with “the mind”.
Sure there are certain hidden and occluded truths in language, but you really have to work rigorously and do research to figure things out. You can’t just spin everything uncontrollably based simply on bits of words that SEEM to mean something to you.
DO governments care about the MENTAL aspects of citizens? Sure, but that’s not what the word itself means.
Wow, some of these comments seem like they come from people who have obviously not been spending days, weeks, or years listening to Michael Tsarion. He ALWAYS credits what he has learned from Jordan. I’ve seen it at least 10 times in the last 3 days while watching his lectures and listen to his radio appearances. He and David Icke are friends too. Alex Jones always has David Icke on, so the person saying he always makes fun of David is wrong. He did long, long ago, but his opinion has apparently changed. I hope to hear more from Michael Tsarion because he is so full of information that we need to hear. His website alone is a wealth of it with all kinds of stuff. I like all of these people, Michael, David, Jordan, Freeman, and Alex. If you get any info that helps you in your own personal journey you should be thankful for it, no matter what. Truth is truth no matter if you don’t agree with the person’s personal religion or business .
I like Tsarion’s information but in this truth movement it seems you always have to be conscious that you may be being manipulated by these fellows even if it is very subtle. I don’t say that to attack their character because I don’t know any of these fellows but the reason humanity is in the mess we are in is because we haven’t payed attention to details.
I have my suspicions about Alex Jones and often think his whole set up would be aptly named “Operation Chicken Little” and they way they run the PPF message board it is obvious they try and they do successfully filter out people that don’t maintain their rigid status quo, just go to war on you to get the story about the moderators on PPF. Some really shady stuff going on with PPF moderators also involving fraudulent moneybombs. So Michael Tsarion or any of these guys being fans of Alex Jones unfortunately for me personally causes concerns about them but I do find this information they present to be worthy of listening to.
I have been listening to the information of Professor Griff from Public Enemy lately and I really like that guy. He would be a good guest on this show.
It’s great to see the comments here, as I get so tired of listening to the christian perspective in the truth movement, I feel the Christians have an attitude “we are right and everyone else is wrong”. And yes, I agree, Jordon Maxwell is the “leader” and tells it like it is.
I was beginning to think I was the only non-christian in the truth movement. Glad to see there are many of living in reality. I am a Native American and Americas inquisition researcher and historian,I follow the “Spirit” and “The Creator”.